Big Fish, is the "BIG FISH" we came to terms what I wanted and he has work out quite well. Thanks to all who participated.

Big lesson in this for Designers "Originality" Sells! G Design, when I am certain that you know how to use the programs to manipulate the graphic, it still was not original unfortunately we almost believed that there was some originality to you design.

After out team looked at your designs we determined that clearly this was incorrect and we could not see past this.

As far as Gruv we really liked you designs, however we have not seen anything other then the 2 designs you submitted.

Big Fish, again congrats. Good Work thank for the all the back and forth.

Okay G Design, Big Fish, Gruv- I have spoken to all of you in some form email/phone, you guys I need original artwork. This means you to GRUV. Thanks again BIGFISH for making certain that everyone submits original art work. I am stepping out. I will be back with in 2 Hrs, in the meantime, feel free to ad submissions.

Okay, BigFish, GDesign, Gruv, I have emailed all of you because all of you all were, or are still in the running, however I have a situation now that 2 of you have completely withdrawn, and I need logos, regardless. So In finality, I come up with original design, with the element we like we need high res, vecterable, eps, ai, png, do one in red, do one in black, and let's pick a winner. Enough BS, and enough BigFish I like your working layouts outside of the logo as well. Thanks in advance.

Okay, BigFish, GDesign, Gruv, I have emailed all of you because all of you all were, or are still in the running, however I have a situation now that 2 of you have completely withdrawn, and I need logos, regardless. So In finality, I come up with original design, with the element we like we need high res, vecterable, eps, ai, png, do one in red, do one in black, and let's pick a winner. Enough BS, and enough BigFish I like your working layouts outside of the logo as well. Thanks in advance.

Wow, I finally understand what BIGFISH means, wow,your right, both all of this stuff is not origional, big Fish stated, So I am going to email admin to extend this contest, due to the fact that of what BigFISH stated, guys let's get legit, and all of you are more then welcome to submit "original" logos, here is what we like. Ist we like, what gruv did with the medallion, feel free to make this better, secondly BIG FISH comeback, you have been honest, and that is what I like! Yes know that you have gotten me the free vectors, I need help as now the other folks involved are paying close attention to the conversations. We have a budget of $200, I intend to spend it. G Design, thanks again for being honest! I will email you all.

Guys why are you both fighting, I am sending both of you my numbers, feel free to call me thanks....

Dear Big Fish,

You are right, with the links that you have sent, one of the reasons, I personally did not do this Logo, is that I have had issues with the clients wife on exactly what, a lyon, a dragon, a bull, a snake, they stated they wanted strength. So I decided to give 99 a crack, and now I am stuck between the client wanting to make a decision between 42, 39, so they still as of this moment have not made a decision I to am awaiting. However In my opinion, I can see what they have liked. Here is what I know.

1st They like the circle, 2 they like the prime investment in the circle, 3 they are trying to know decide lyon, or tiger-like dragon, even though I know were they are getting this thanks to you. I really appreciate the info (bigfish) I will pass this to client. Feel free to incorporate 42,39 I called the wife BigFish, she thought your lyon looked to cartoony, I happen to like your lyon myself, it is very origional I feel.

As for gruvs design, it seems more like the links that big fish has pointed out.

Lets see where this goes this morning. Thanks